WRA Horde may have more population but that is where the generalizations ends. Walk up RP is present but it is 50/50 in whether it'll be good or bad (Same on MG Alliance.) Community is more separate with no real equivalent of Warcraft Conquest or Coalition from MG (and MG Horde respectively.) MG Alliance is more or less the same like WRA Horde ... Stormrage, Sargeras and Proudmoore have healthy Alliance populations. However, even they are not immune to the content lull so you’ll still encounter a lot of empty spaces on those servers. Rogmarr-kelthuzad January 10, 2022, 11:34pm #6. Unless its drastically changed in the past few months I would say a general breakdown goes like this :Rainsóng-area-52 June 9, 2022, 7:05pm #15. Area-52 is the biggest Horde server. It’s fine. Def a lot of people around. It’s more of a self-contained place as opposed to other servers that have a ton of connected realms and CRZ in open world. You see people from other servers sometimes but it’s not all the time.Moonguard is like only 70% alliance as well. Sadly yes, but it's still a larger pop server. It at least had people in it. https://raider.io/realms/us Shows population and faction ratio if you mouseover the bar. My recommendation for switching servers is to find the group you want to play with and only swap if you really want to or if it is ... Having everyone on a realm be your faction means ALOT more players. Whereas the 50/50 split could make a big realm feel like a low pop one. I'm not sure of the status of the big pvp realms but I'm pretty sure the top ones like sargeras, Illidan and tichondrius are all weighted one way or the other as well.(again pvpers can chime in here)Best server/faction for RP and gameplay? Greetings, fellow adventurers! I'm a fairly recent returnee, since other MMOs just don't hold my attention for very long. I'd like to get my fresh start on an RP realm, and while RP is kind of my focus, I'd also like to have a community around to actually play the game, in addition to RP. 3. Fluff. I used the refer-a-friend "teleport to friend" feature back in Mists of Pandaria when I made my first character. Well, it glitched Ji Firepaw out back then and he followed my character around any time I was in Orgrimmar. Its not so bad once you get out of the starting areas though I havent been back since the squish. Alluridio • 2 yr. ago. Moon Guard if you avoid Goldshire is best for Alliance RP NA. Wyrmrest Accord is better for Horde NA. Tons of guilds and players migrated off realm after those changes, many went to WrA for RP. If you’re looking for fun WPVP in todays WoW, your best bet is just rolling a stealth class so that you can pick and choose your fights and not get zerged as often. u/FigurativeLasso. Unless Blizzard gets rid of sharding you'll never find balanced ... The choice is really up to you, and I never mock a player because of their server. I’m sure you’ll make a good choice. Avoid Kazzak, the most toxic community in this game. Tarren mill would probably be best, Draenor is one of the biggest realms but this also causes for queues and lag whenever a new expansion releases.Horde Server. Community General Discussion. Quelyndra-area-52 October 12, 2022, 2:10pm #1. Looking for a good Horde server that isnt considered ‘Full’ before Dragonflight. Any and all suggestions are appreciated. Galedron-area-52 October 12, 2022, 2:18pm #2. Thrall.It looks like Dalaran-WoW is going to be launching a fresh WoTLK server and that the original realm, Algalon, will be used as an archive server. Likely with each fresh server release, the old will be merged into Algalon. The new server name appears to be Dalaran. Link below for more info.Going to second chromiecraft, has been a lot of fun as a WoWvet looking for an interesting take on a progressive server. Add me in game if you want someone to play with, Restobabe. For someone who haven't played wow before I'd recommend ChromieCraft if you want a super progressive server (500-900 players during peaks and currently on Vanilla ...Mar 13, 2023 · WoW Circle. This has a lot of popularity among gamers who can enjoy different content including Cataclysm 4.3.4, WotLK 3.3.5, Legion 7.3.5 and Mists of Pandaria 5.4.89. Keep in mind that its gameplay is almost similar to the official server of Blizzard WoW. Moonguard is like only 70% alliance as well. Sadly yes, but it's still a larger pop server. It at least had people in it. https://raider.io/realms/us Shows population and faction ratio if you mouseover the bar. My recommendation for switching servers is to find the group you want to play with and only swap if you really want to or if it is ... Wyrmrest is the highest population Horde RP server. Moon Guard for Alliance. Moon Guard Horde does have a small populace but they're mostly guild focused, but are mostly known for drama and not the quality of their RP. LordBartimus • 2 yr. ago. May 29, 2022 · Twinked characters don’t exist in the open world. Well you have 2 or 3 fake PvP servers (Benediction, Faerlina, Whitemane) which are all nearly 100% dominated by one faction and you’ll never see PvP in the open world. Then you have Grobbulus which is the only true PvP server (about 50/50 balance), but you’ll be griefed non-stop while ... I have realized that I have missed Alliance architecture. I've been missing alliance for the past 8 years since I moved to Kazzak, started alliance back in 2007 ... Thanks ! According to wowprogress, Silvermoon is indeed the most active server for Alliance EU. Ravencrest is second.Moon Guard! MG is actually not very populated. Most of the people you see there are just people sitting in the towns RPing, but in terms of doing content, it’s a fairly small server. Lagaran represent! Nothing is wrong with stormrage. I just want a “clean” start on a new server where I’m not distracted by my main.Depends on the faction. I love Silvermoon ( I am pve alliance): mixed origin players, very competitive, friendly players, possible to make a lot of money from AH, good guilds, friendly environment overall Dalaran wow has outdated inferior scripts and low pop, while Cromiecraft is still in its lvling phase (they release 10 by 10 lvls every few months or so) with sub 1k pop at best and by now is considered a meme in the community. Other servers like old sunwells and whitemanes realms are empty.2. 2 comments. Best. Doogiesham • 9 mo. ago. If you’re casual and care about having a full alive feeling world, play on moonguard. If you want a full server and care about endgame pve play on stormrage, or alternatively proudmoore or sargeras to get a particular timezone. looksatstuff369 • 9 mo. ago.I have realized that I have missed Alliance architecture. I've been missing alliance for the past 8 years since I moved to Kazzak, started alliance back in 2007 ... Thanks ! According to wowprogress, Silvermoon is indeed the most active server for Alliance EU. Ravencrest is second.That doesn't mean you won't have fun. If your main goal is raiding, EU-PVP1 may be your best bet. If you don't care about raiding and money making, but rather a 100% positive atmosphere, then the RP servers are your place. Now, let me elaborate: EU-PVP1 horde: This is a cluster of 8 old PVP servers.1 Scow2 • 8 mo. ago It is the Horde RP server. Big enough to have a strong economy and not-complety-atrocious Raid&M+ player base, while also having a strong roleplaying community and social atmosphere. Fresh Wrath of the Lich King Classic servers. There will be new servers where all characters start from level 1, and transfers blocked at least for 90 days. Exact dates not announced yet, but this is likely to happen with the pre-patch around Aug 2022. Honestly I think this would be the best option for you. Warmane is not highly regarded here at all. All but one of the realms is completely P2W, and the PvP is cross-realm so you'll be at a huge disadvantage anyways. Classic WotLK should be out within the next year or so, would be better to wait for that instead. Chromie is good, but it's vanilla WoW in the WotLK client. It's the best scripted realm ever, population is nice with toxicity close to 0 (server rules are enforced in world chat as well), faction balance is around 50:50 but it's not highly populated... in fact, it's medium/low (compared to the Vanilla standard of 2500 online cap, or 1250 online per faction).Download Article. 1. Head to Realm Pop. Open an Internet browser by clicking its icon on your desktop. In the address bar, type in wow.realmpop.com. Here, you can select the region you wish to find servers for. Realm Pop is an external website that finds details on each server.WoW Circle. This has a lot of popularity among gamers who can enjoy different content including Cataclysm 4.3.4, WotLK 3.3.5, Legion 7.3.5 and Mists of Pandaria 5.4.89. Keep in mind that its gameplay is almost similar to the official server of Blizzard WoW.US WoW Realms. All EN ES PT. #. Realm. Type. Lang. Score. Population*. Horde*.Mar 13, 2023 · WoW Circle. This has a lot of popularity among gamers who can enjoy different content including Cataclysm 4.3.4, WotLK 3.3.5, Legion 7.3.5 and Mists of Pandaria 5.4.89. Keep in mind that its gameplay is almost similar to the official server of Blizzard WoW. 1 Scow2 • 8 mo. ago It is the Horde RP server. Big enough to have a strong economy and not-complety-atrocious Raid&M+ player base, while also having a strong roleplaying community and social atmosphere. Firemaw will likely have login queues at the release of the expansion and every major content release too. But it has a healthy population, you'll never have an issue finding a raid or arena partner. Earthshaker is pretty decent. It's a nice populated server. Lots of PUGs available and is much less likely to have queues to login for future ...1. crazymonkey202 • 1 yr. ago. Server only affects the guilds you can join and the Auction house. So choose the highest population one with the faction balance towards what you want to play. This will give you the widest selections of guilds to join, and the healthiest auction house, and there are really no negatives.Best server/faction for RP and gameplay? Greetings, fellow adventurers! I'm a fairly recent returnee, since other MMOs just don't hold my attention for very long. I'd like to get my fresh start on an RP realm, and while RP is kind of my focus, I'd also like to have a community around to actually play the game, in addition to RP.Joyous Journey buff should be extended because the game is inaccessible in prime hours due to queues. 1.6K. 552. r/classicwow. Join. • 1 day ago.US WoW Realms. All EN ES PT. #. Realm. Type. Lang. Score. Population*. Horde*.RP servers are best, however recently there has been a bigger market for the rare mount farms (people wait for mount to spawn and then sell access to the shard its on for hundreds of thousands of gold), so you might end up getting competition wherever you go. I say this with experience because I have a few toons on said server for this very ...That doesn't mean you won't have fun. If your main goal is raiding, EU-PVP1 may be your best bet. If you don't care about raiding and money making, but rather a 100% positive atmosphere, then the RP servers are your place. Now, let me elaborate: EU-PVP1 horde: This is a cluster of 8 old PVP servers.I have realized that I have missed Alliance architecture. I've been missing alliance for the past 8 years since I moved to Kazzak, started alliance back in 2007 ... Thanks ! According to wowprogress, Silvermoon is indeed the most active server for Alliance EU. Ravencrest is second. If you care about joining a guild, check wowprogress.com it has a list of realm populations for characters that do Max level PvE content. Stormrage is good for alliance. And Illidan, area 52, and a bunch others, are good for horde. 52 stand up! Anyone looking for a raiding guild pm me we are noob friendly and AOTC. RP servers are best, however recently there has been a bigger market for the rare mount farms (people wait for mount to spawn and then sell access to the shard its on for hundreds of thousands of gold), so you might end up getting competition wherever you go. I say this with experience because I have a few toons on said server for this very ...Wyrmrest is the highest population Horde RP server. Moon Guard for Alliance. Moon Guard Horde does have a small populace but they're mostly guild focused, but are mostly known for drama and not the quality of their RP. LordBartimus • 2 yr. ago.Go for Silvermoon/Ravencrest. Basically having the most people on your faction on the server is the most important. Advantages are that you get more guilds, more people in cities and trade chat, and a healthy economy (though that is not faction-specific). Queues aren't a thing outside of expansion launches. dsalter • 1 yr. ago. Moonguard is like only 70% alliance as well. Sadly yes, but it's still a larger pop server. It at least had people in it. https://raider.io/realms/us Shows population and faction ratio if you mouseover the bar. My recommendation for switching servers is to find the group you want to play with and only swap if you really want to or if it is ... First of all, find a community or join a guild that makes world PvP activities / organized action. When you are farming Korthia, around world bosses (the world quests ones giving 500 anima) or the assaults, try to group. In custom groups you will probably find something “25 kills Korthia WM on” or “Korthi rare farming WM on”.Go for Silvermoon/Ravencrest. Basically having the most people on your faction on the server is the most important. Advantages are that you get more guilds, more people in cities and trade chat, and a healthy economy (though that is not faction-specific). Queues aren't a thing outside of expansion launches. dsalter • 1 yr. ago. 3. Fluff. I used the refer-a-friend "teleport to friend" feature back in Mists of Pandaria when I made my first character. Well, it glitched Ji Firepaw out back then and he followed my character around any time I was in Orgrimmar.Best EU server. Hi all, After the fiasco with New World I was looking for a MMORPG to play and naturally I went back for WoW again. I was first thinking about keep playing on TBC but Noggenfogger is 100% Horde, low population server and I’m alliance. There were littery 1 player online and 0 stuff on AH. US WoW Realms. All EN ES PT. #. Realm. Type. Lang. Score. Population*. Horde*.Feb 22, 2022 · Updated on February 22, 2022 Top WoW Realms ranked by their overall score for each Faction and Game Type. US: United States (English) US: Oceanic (Australia & New Zealand) US: Brazil (Portuguese) US: Latin America (Spanish) EU: English EU: German EU: Russian EU: French EU: Spanish EU: Italian Korea Taiwan Well if blizz would listen to their player base for the last 10 years they would of setup some ME servers but nahhh lolArthas1997 • 2 yr. ago. Idk about best but I play on Draenor-EU: 1 091 alliance. 52 362 Horde. Sumirei • 2 yr. ago. draenor is a bit deceiving, tarren mill and twisting nether are technically ahead. Spengy • 2 yr. ago. Draenor, Kazzak, Tarren Mill are the popular ones iirc. [deleted] • 2 yr. ago.Best server/faction for RP and gameplay? Greetings, fellow adventurers! I'm a fairly recent returnee, since other MMOs just don't hold my attention for very long. I'd like to get my fresh start on an RP realm, and while RP is kind of my focus, I'd also like to have a community around to actually play the game, in addition to RP. Going to second chromiecraft, has been a lot of fun as a WoWvet looking for an interesting take on a progressive server. Add me in game if you want someone to play with, Restobabe. For someone who haven't played wow before I'd recommend ChromieCraft if you want a super progressive server (500-900 players during peaks and currently on Vanilla ...Tons of guilds and players migrated off realm after those changes, many went to WrA for RP. If you’re looking for fun WPVP in todays WoW, your best bet is just rolling a stealth class so that you can pick and choose your fights and not get zerged as often. u/FigurativeLasso. Unless Blizzard gets rid of sharding you'll never find balanced ...Dalaran wow has outdated inferior scripts and low pop, while Cromiecraft is still in its lvling phase (they release 10 by 10 lvls every few months or so) with sub 1k pop at best and by now is considered a meme in the community. Other servers like old sunwells and whitemanes realms are empty.2. Darook123 • 2 yr. ago. The friendliest servers where people like to interact and have fun is the rp servers on EU Argent Dawn ( alliance) and I belive on us like moonguard people still do all the hard content but they are also helpful and nice. 2. muttfangs • 2 yr. ago. That's exactly what I want, thank you. Silvermoon, sylvanas, Ravencrest, agent dawn (rp) from memory. That's ArgentDawn. Shows population per side for all servers. Silvermoon, Ravencrest (though it's way smaller than Silvermoon) and potentially Argent Dawn if RP interests you. The remaining English realms are either small or Horde-dominated.RP servers are best, however recently there has been a bigger market for the rare mount farms (people wait for mount to spawn and then sell access to the shard its on for hundreds of thousands of gold), so you might end up getting competition wherever you go. I say this with experience because I have a few toons on said server for this very ...Wobling Goblin is a lesser-known PVE server (progressing through the original trilogy, currently in Vanilla) based out of Oceania. Population is definitely low, however a single character can learn all professions in the game (blacksmithing, alchemy, skinning, etc.) instead of having a cap.1. crazymonkey202 • 1 yr. ago. Server only affects the guilds you can join and the Auction house. So choose the highest population one with the faction balance towards what you want to play. This will give you the widest selections of guilds to join, and the healthiest auction house, and there are really no negatives. Jan 25, 2022 · Just resubbed yesterday but i’m having a hard time picking a realm to level on since it looks like most people aren’t really doing 1-60 content anymore and there’s a lot of players aleardy far ahead.Also the word chat i… Lastly we are committed to keeping this list up to date and will regularly update when any new ones that appear and have a strong following and to keep tabs on the already listed servers to make sure they are still a viable choice. If we have forgotten anything please let us know, contact us via mod mail or DM us. Server Name. Xp rates/Expansion.Go for Silvermoon/Ravencrest. Basically having the most people on your faction on the server is the most important. Advantages are that you get more guilds, more people in cities and trade chat, and a healthy economy (though that is not faction-specific). Queues aren't a thing outside of expansion launches. dsalter • 1 yr. ago.Nov 8, 2017 · Download Article. 1. Head to Realm Pop. Open an Internet browser by clicking its icon on your desktop. In the address bar, type in wow.realmpop.com. Here, you can select the region you wish to find servers for. Realm Pop is an external website that finds details on each server. WoW is a decent game for sake of a game to play, it’s not/never going to be an amazing or complex story, and honestly it’s more transparent than a Disney Marvel movie (not to mention potentially copied, thanks Danuser) and when it comes to actual game play your mileage will vary based on what class/spec you play.Silvermoon is one of the most active PVE servers in EU for Alliance. If you're Alliance then I'd suggest staying on Silvermoon. If you're Horde then go Draenor. You can see realm populations for EU servers here. 3. [deleted] • 6 yr. ago. [removed] ___Not_The_NSA___ • 6 yr. ago.Good servers: WOTLK expansion - just a few servers (search threads on this, Gamer District, Lordaeron) Vanilla: Light's Hope or Kronos. TBC: Netherwing. MOP: Tauri, Evermoon. I just gave you 6 very good servers. Pick the expansion you want. I recommend WOTLK or MOP servers. Download Article. 1. Head to Realm Pop. Open an Internet browser by clicking its icon on your desktop. In the address bar, type in wow.realmpop.com. Here, you can select the region you wish to find servers for. Realm Pop is an external website that finds details on each server.Joyous Journey buff should be extended because the game is inaccessible in prime hours due to queues. 1.6K. 552. r/classicwow. Join. • 1 day ago. I would recommend Pyrewood Village (EU), really nice PVE server and lots of people doing low level content. Never an issue to find groups for quests or dungeons. Go US Heartseeker. It's a pvp server but it's 99% Alliance. Why not simply add a server with the same name but 2 on it and enable free transfers between servers. heck you could even enable cross realm with only those 2 servers. then use layers for high pop zones like they are doing now anywase for example benediction1 and benediction 2 this would clear up any issues with ques and would allow people to play. then when population dies down, close the ...Dalaran wow has outdated inferior scripts and low pop, while Cromiecraft is still in its lvling phase (they release 10 by 10 lvls every few months or so) with sub 1k pop at best and by now is considered a meme in the community. Other servers like old sunwells and whitemanes realms are empty.Moon Guard! MG is actually not very populated. Most of the people you see there are just people sitting in the towns RPing, but in terms of doing content, it’s a fairly small server. Lagaran represent! Nothing is wrong with stormrage. I just want a “clean” start on a new server where I’m not distracted by my main.You probably want a full or high pop server that is dominated by your faction, which means more active guilds/players/ah for you. The AH commodities (mats, consumables etc) is region wide nowadays. Gear you still want a lot of buyers/sellers I guess. Draenor, kazzak are the most populated ones with 95% horde.US WoW Realms All EN ES PT # Realm Type Lang Score Population* Horde* Alliance* TZ; 1: Area 52: PvE: en: ... hint: type realm and/or guild/character names ... Well if blizz would listen to their player base for the last 10 years they would of setup some ME servers but nahhh lolSep 7, 2023 · Here’s a full rundown of every server in WoW Wrath of the Lich King Classic and their population numbers for September 2023. Despite thousands of players choosing to pick up their mouse and ... I have realized that I have missed Alliance architecture. I've been missing alliance for the past 8 years since I moved to Kazzak, started alliance back in 2007 ... Thanks ! According to wowprogress, Silvermoon is indeed the most active server for Alliance EU. Ravencrest is second. May 29, 2022 · Twinked characters don’t exist in the open world. Well you have 2 or 3 fake PvP servers (Benediction, Faerlina, Whitemane) which are all nearly 100% dominated by one faction and you’ll never see PvP in the open world. Then you have Grobbulus which is the only true PvP server (about 50/50 balance), but you’ll be griefed non-stop while ...
That doesn't mean you won't have fun. If your main goal is raiding, EU-PVP1 may be your best bet. If you don't care about raiding and money making, but rather a 100% positive atmosphere, then the RP servers are your place. Now, let me elaborate: EU-PVP1 horde: This is a cluster of 8 old PVP servers.. A virgin
Population, RP, friends, etc. I’m curious to see the different reasons people play! I played on moonguard for a while and the auction prices were way different than they are for me on tich now. Those RP servers have a high demand for cool looking gear. Wyrmrest is the best for rp, if you're horde. Server choice for Dragonflight launch. How do I find out which US realm has the lowest pop that ALSO won’t get sharded with big servers like illidan, etc. I know about the wow realm population website but the key is the sharding which cant be answered by that website.Stormrage, Sargeras and Proudmoore have healthy Alliance populations. However, even they are not immune to the content lull so you’ll still encounter a lot of empty spaces on those servers. Rogmarr-kelthuzad January 10, 2022, 11:34pm #6. Unless its drastically changed in the past few months I would say a general breakdown goes like this :Realm choice considerations in 2022? So despite my distaste for Blizzard the last couple years, I'm thinking I want to return to WoW. Heh. I miss the gameplay and PvP fun in BGs. Server choice for Dragonflight launch. How do I find out which US realm has the lowest pop that ALSO won’t get sharded with big servers like illidan, etc. I know about the wow realm population website but the key is the sharding which cant be answered by that website.2. Darook123 • 2 yr. ago. The friendliest servers where people like to interact and have fun is the rp servers on EU Argent Dawn ( alliance) and I belive on us like moonguard people still do all the hard content but they are also helpful and nice. 2. muttfangs • 2 yr. ago. That's exactly what I want, thank you. Best server/faction for RP and gameplay? Greetings, fellow adventurers! I'm a fairly recent returnee, since other MMOs just don't hold my attention for very long. I'd like to get my fresh start on an RP realm, and while RP is kind of my focus, I'd also like to have a community around to actually play the game, in addition to RP. 3. Lugardi • 5 yr. ago. Full or even locked for best gameplay experience, AH full of items, living cities and zones. Silvermoon for Alliance Draenor for Horde. 2. SpecialOfficerDoofy • 5 yr. ago. -2. MrTomRiddle • 5 yr. ago.Hello everyone. I just started playing again after about a year and a half. When I first started I had no idea what I was doing and created an Alliance character but the server I selected is like 80% horde. 1. A_Blind_Alien • 3 yr. ago. Realms don't matter for any of that anymore, you simply just play with other people from other servers. Only thing servers that are server specific anymore is the auction house and guilds. Neither of which benefit from being hirde/alliance balanced. 2. EliteFourDE • 3 yr. ago.Server choice for Dragonflight launch. How do I find out which US realm has the lowest pop that ALSO won’t get sharded with big servers like illidan, etc. I know about the wow realm population website but the key is the sharding which cant be answered by that website.You probably want a full or high pop server that is dominated by your faction, which means more active guilds/players/ah for you. The AH commodities (mats, consumables etc) is region wide nowadays. Gear you still want a lot of buyers/sellers I guess. Draenor, kazzak are the most populated ones with 95% horde.Dalaran wow has outdated inferior scripts and low pop, while Cromiecraft is still in its lvling phase (they release 10 by 10 lvls every few months or so) with sub 1k pop at best and by now is considered a meme in the community. Other servers like old sunwells and whitemanes realms are empty. Lastly we are committed to keeping this list up to date and will regularly update when any new ones that appear and have a strong following and to keep tabs on the already listed servers to make sure they are still a viable choice. If we have forgotten anything please let us know, contact us via mod mail or DM us. Server Name. Xp rates/Expansion. Fresh Wrath of the Lich King Classic servers. There will be new servers where all characters start from level 1, and transfers blocked at least for 90 days. Exact dates not announced yet, but this is likely to happen with the pre-patch around Aug 2022. Honestly I think this would be the best option for you. Best server/faction for RP and gameplay? Greetings, fellow adventurers! I'm a fairly recent returnee, since other MMOs just don't hold my attention for very long. I'd like to get my fresh start on an RP realm, and while RP is kind of my focus, I'd also like to have a community around to actually play the game, in addition to RP.Jul 21, 2023 · Europe (German, English, French, Russian, Spanish, and Italian) Korea (Korea) Taiwan (Taiwan) As you can see, when you create a new character, you can access a large server list including Oceanic realms, Europe realms, US realms, and the rest of the locations. Once you input desired parameters, the interface will retrieve massive lists with all ... First of all, find a community or join a guild that makes world PvP activities / organized action. When you are farming Korthia, around world bosses (the world quests ones giving 500 anima) or the assaults, try to group. In custom groups you will probably find something “25 kills Korthia WM on” or “Korthi rare farming WM on”. Hello everyone. I just started playing again after about a year and a half. When I first started I had no idea what I was doing and created an Alliance character but the server I selected is like 80% horde..
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